Consti here with a warning to all freedom loving Americans. What you are about to read is real. It’s a tactic that Rules for Radicals Saul Alynsky would be proud of. Liberal activists who can’t debate the Tea Party on the merits of their position plan to crash Tea Party protests in an effort to discredit the movement. You can read supporting articles here, here, here, and here since you won’t see this despicable news in the MSM.
From the first article linked.
“Opponents of the fiscally conservative tea party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear to be racist, homophobic and moronic.”
“Every time we have someone on camera saying that Barack Obama isn’t an American citizen, we want someone sitting next to him saying, ‘That’s right, he’s an alien from outer space!’” Levin said.
So liberal activists have come out and finally admitted that they LIE to make their point. They can’t debate policy or politics on the merits but must undermine public trust in their opponent. Never mind that they bus in SEIU members to town halls to load the audience with their supporters. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain (George Soros/Andy Stern) who pulls the strings of Astroturf movements. Or the Obama supported web page that allows people to spam news editors from one location. No it’s not policy that guides them, it’s simple power. Or the reporter who purposely went to a rally to find troublemakers but failed even after she tried to incite a negative response. Some on this blog have also condoned this “win at any cost” attitude and frankly it’s despicable, underhanded, deceitful, violent, tactics that are used to stifle freedom of speech and legal rights. And if you are a black Tea Party member watch out! They are calling you “Uncle Tom” or worse! So much for compassionate liberals huh? Since they can’t actually find any problems with the Tea Party protests they will make them up to “appear” to be wackos.
So class your take home assignment for today is to go to a liberal or democrat rally and infiltrate the group. Then when the cameras are on you hold up a sign that reads “government funding for abortions now!” Or signs if you like that read; “socialism is our way!” How about “Big Government NOW!” I mean since these are the rules they choose to play by shouldn’t we?
“But Consti then we would be sinking to their level! We are better.” Well kids, appeasement didn’t work for Carter in Iran, and it’s not working for Obama now. We should learn from those lessons. We should not let ourselves be hobbled by this noble idea of talk and debate when the other side is not performing in good faith the same. If we are expected to “play by the rules” then we should play by their rules. Rules for Radicals apparently is the hope and change we were promised. But I bet you won’t see a single Democrat denounce this tactic either.
Fair is fair after all.
Consti.
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J,
Same goes for you. Go F@&% Yourself. If the best you can do when presented with a counter argument is to label it “Marxist” ( how you got dialectic materialism from what I wrote I have no idea but outrage is a thick cloud) and refuse to give an answer you are a legend in your own mind. If you really opposed everything I said you’d have no problem arguing that schools shouldn’t be equally funded or that we need more CBRN weapons, or that Defense spending should be a larger part of the budget. If you can make any of those arguments and not need a shower after doing it, consider your conservative dues paid . Conservatives are only about phony outrage to whip up the rather slow witted who then, like yourself, use that disingenuous outrage to foment actual rage in still slower witted people who view you and some kind of expert rather than a pissed off middle aged white guy who’s fuming because the country isn’t the way he thinks it should be.
JF,
You know how some people love golf, everything can be related, everything else is a obsticle to play. Well I’m that way about chess.
Sometimes when I feel bad about myself, or get unexpectedly beat in a match at the club, I turn my computer from Expert mode to Novice.
After reading your marxist prose, seeing your inability to think more than a move or two in your mind, I feel no need to engage in a novice match just to make myself feel good.
If you like, and I am hopeful for you, that you feel like a winner too.
I think Jon Stewart said it best. Go F@#% Yourself.
As soon as I can arrange a choir you’ll get a personalized version until then I refer you to this. It pretty much sums up you, your arguments and where you can go.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-april-20-2010/bernie-goldberg-fires-back
By the way thanks for proving my point that all you have is insults, cockeyed theories and no facts to refute any argument. HAHAHAHA Thanks for the laughs.
Dough boy,
Since you threaten violence on people who don’t AGREE WITH YOU I’d say you have no room to talk there betty crocker. I offer plenty of well though out points time and time again. If you chose to ignore/deny/denigrate/obfuscate/ those facts then that’s a YP not an MP. The only people laughing are laughing at the rage you display time and time again since you are a poor picked on Democrat.
There goes that little vein on your forehead throbbing again.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Some people grow up, some don’t grow past high school.
Sad, sad, sad… impotent rage is a real health issue.
I’m ignorant and spiteful. YOU’RE the one who answers every comment disagreeing with you with insults and you little passive aggressive victim game. If I’m so crazy make an argument that any of the points I articulates is wrong. Come on, forget the littler personal insults and put together a case that just one point is wrong JUST ONE. YOU CAN’T. All you have is insults to make yourself feel big. The only thing you’re about is using mommy’s apron for cover while you fling rocks then cry about how everyone picks on you. Everyone sees how lame and pathetic you are. So keep answering factual arguments with unrelated stories and insults. I, like everyone else outside you little cadre of the mindless are laughing at you. Sad pathetic little man. I’m laughing because I know this is all you’ll ever be, a passive aggressive weakling tilting at windmills afraid to ever show his face.
I’ll tell you what I told J. Ass wipes in need of a flogging, if the shoe fits. Screw you and the horse you rode in on.
Oh! Look….
OBAMA KEEPS ‘GOLDMAN’ CASH; EMPLOYEES DONATED $994,795 TO CAMPAIGN
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/04/21/white_house_obama_did_not_take_goldman_pac_money_will_not_return_donations.html
J Byron,
Arguing with Dough Boy is like arguing with a special ed kid. It’s only fun until he wets his pants. Like a lot of his liberal friends he is living in denial because they see themselves as the saviors of ourselves from us. For all his poor picked on democrat shtick he and several others on this blog will bash republicans for taking Goldman sachs money. Then fail to mention that Obama had Goldman as his second highest donor. Sure they will whoop and holler for Republicans to return the campaign donations and refuse to answer questions about their own involvement like Hairy “Palms” Reid.
I admire your effort though.
Dough Boy,
As ignorant and spiteful as usual. Next time spread your crazy somewhere else.
Let’s see, where do I start with this massive pile of excrement of a response. Since I don’t agree with 100% of the party platform, nor does anyone who aligns themselves with a political party, but I guess that’s too difficult a concept for someone who can’t get past daaaa liberals need to be medicated.
Moving through the list:
The Green Party holds Ecology and Feminism as core values. Yeah, you’re right, having the core value of being good stewards of the land and standing up for woman’s rights are completely radical ideas.
I happen to thing Reparations for the decedents of slaves is a stupid idea. It was a stupid idea when someone floated it in the 90’s and it’s a stupid idea now.
I know it’s hard to see through the outrage but both parties are bought and paid for by big business. The Republicans are clearly anti labor and the Democrats only pay lip service to American workers while selling out their interests for campaign donations. I happen to think the guy who punches a time clock needs someone in his corner more that the guy who owns the time clock. He already has someone, its called a Republican.
I would much rather see a law passed the requires the employer to pay striking and locked out workers 50-75% of their wages. I don’t want the tax payers having to foot the bill for management trying to strong arm labor. Let the company pay.
Once unions are formed companies can drag out contract negotiations for years. Now I will grant that some of these contracts can be very complex and may require a long time to put together, as long as the company is negotiating in good faith that’s find. If however they are intentionally delaying so they can find way to terminate those who pushed for the union and replace them with people who wont fight for a union THAT’S negotiating in bad faith and after a set amount of time, if that is the case, than binding arbitration is called for.
Pennies an hour for prison labor is a stupid idea. Placing some industry in prisons and allowing inmates with good behavior to learn job skills that will allow them to enter the workforce and turn their lives around after they are released, that is a good idea.
Time and a half works fine for me for overtime. However, double time on Sundays and Holidays sounds fair.
Equal school finding. WOW, totally outlandish idea. Here is a thought. If parents have the money and don’t think their public school is good enough that are more than welcome to pay themselves and send their kid to private school. An 18K Ford will get you where you need to go as well as an 80K BMW, but if you want to pay for the BMW, go for it, no one is stopping you.
Every study has shown that children who are given early childhood education significantly out perform those who do not have early childhood education. Smarter kids…that’s really a radical idea.
After School programs. Hmmm…studies show that children in afterschool programs do better in school, are healthier, and have a far lower chance of becoming involved with gangs drugs , are much more likely to attend college and far less likely to be incarcerated. You’re right, way too radical, can’t have that.
Multicultural teaching staffs. You’re right, teachers should only be white protestants born in the United States. I mean if a teacher is African American or Hispanic, or God forbid a Muslim they may not see things like you do and teach kids a new perspective. What a tragedy that would be.
I think for profit and religious charter schools are a good way to fill in the gap until we fix public education. I even thing there are lessons public education can learn from these schools because they have phenomenal success educating children.
Curriculum for a Multicultural Participatory Democracy. Teaching children that America is made up of a panoply of ethnicities and religions that all are deserving of respect and a voice in the discussion. Radical beyond words. And then teaching they that every one of these people that doesn’t believe like they do, doesn’t pray like they do, and my god, doesn’t look like they do should like they themselves should, participate in the system by voting, speaking out and maybe running for office, INSANITY!!
Like it or not this is an increasingly globalised economy and in order to keep up children today are going to need to be fluent in more than one language. Europe has been mandating learning multiple languages for years and we’re lagging behind. The best method of learning a new language is immersion in that language. Unless of course you don’t like American kids being competitive in the global market.
9 minutes of every 10 on talk radio in 2009 was conservative talk radio. Only 1 in 10, 10% had a liberal perspective. Since 90% of this country isn’t conservative, I think a little regulation is in order. I’m not saying swing the pendulum the other way but even 25% up from 10 would at least give people a choice. This country agreed long ago that monopolies are a bad thing when it comes to the interests of the consumer.
We can take care of the rest of the world later. Let’s take care of poverty homelessness and malnutrition in this country first.
Ecological Conversion of Human Civilization to Sustainable Systems of Production. Get the U.S. off foreigner oil and onto clean renewable power sources….hmmmm where have I heard that before, oh yeah EVERYONE. Glad to know you like us being beholden to foreigner oil producing nations.
Peace Conversion: Cut US military spending unilaterally by 75% in two years. The Defense Department accounts for almost 1/3 of the budget. In terms of just the Navy alone, the U.S. is larger than the number 2,3,and 4 navies in the world COMBINED. We have 10 Nimitz Class aircraft carriers totaling almost 1 millions tons displacement. No navy in the world operates a carrier that is half the size or capabilities of our Super carriers. I think we can afford to not build ships for a few years.
Get the world to get rid of all Nuclear Biological and Chemical weapons….NAW I like city killing nuclear weapons, germ warfare and nerve gas better. Who doesn’t like genetically engineered super bugs and nerve agents that will turn the human body to jelly within minutes of exposure?
Affordable housing. You’re right. I’m with you. Homelessness is way better.
A Proportional, Single-Chamber US Congress. This is a great idea on the state level. As a matter of fact it would probably streamline a lot of state legislative processes. On the national level, you need two chambers, so that one can always check the other and balance the power.
Speaking of ass wipes and those in need of a flogging, if the shoe fits their buddy. You ask for civil debate then give me this condescending crap. Screw you and the horse you rode in on.
JF,
Really? Ahhh! Green Party! And you call constitutional conservative nuts who wear tin foil hats? Good God, further discussion with you would be for entertainment purposes only. No possible amount of rational can plausibly help. Once one has passed a certain point talk therapy must be supplemented with proper meds.
Now I get why you work in and are so passionate about Poli, no sane company would dare hire you. You would require bankrupting whoever was foolish enough to deal with you. You’d be out there unionizing the transgender lugg nut screwers, demanding unisex bathrooms, 2 month 1st year vacations, and execution of anyone making more than you. For fun, I assure you, I would not lecture the truly wacked, are just a few of your platform issues, and these are written hiding a even more insane agenda.
Ecological and Feminist Economic Accounting
African American Reparations
Repeal Repressive Labor Laws
Unemployment Compensation for Striking and Locked-Out Workers
Binding Contract Arbitration at Union Request
Ban Prison Slave Labor
Double-Time Pay for All Overtime
6 Weeks Paid Vacation Annually in addition to Federal Holidays
Right to Work Short Hours
Equalize School Funding with Federal Revenue Sharing
Preschool Programs
After School Programs: Federal legislation
Multicultural Teaching Staffs
No For-Profit or Religious Charter Schools
Curriculum for a Multicultural Participatory Democracy
Support Bilingual Education
Regulate Public Airwaves in the Public Interest
Fund Global Basic Human Needs
Ecological Conversion of Human Civilization to Sustainable Systems of Production. Peace Conversion: Cut US military spending unilaterally by 75% in two years
Unilateral Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Disarmament
Affordable Housing
A Proportional, Single-Chamber US Congress
How bout free government ass wiping, and flogging those who disagree?
JF, seek help. Had I known you were this far over the coo-coo nest I would have saved my time.
J.
Politics is a passion for me. I’m a bare knuckles fighter for the politics and policies I believe in. I’ll make no apologies for that. I’ve been lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time and work my way into a field that I love, and start to have some success at it.
I am a liberal and again will make no apologies for it. Some will hurl that term at me as an insult. I wear it with pride. I see the distinction as very clear. It is the difference between progress and regression. Liberals look forward to the promise and success that this country can be. Conservatives look backwards to what it was and try to regain that. To allow that regression is to force the people of this country to be what they were, instead of allowing them to grow into what they can be. That is why I have moved from the Democratic Party to the Green Party, because I believe Democrats have been corrupted into what moderate Republicans used to be. You may call this misguided, but I will do all that I can to be sure that this country’s future is not stifled for a nostalgia of a romanticized past.
As for a balanced life, I assure you I have it. Politics is what I do, it’s not who I am. I have raised money for St. Jude Children’s Hospital and the American Cancer Society. I have run food drives that have completely restocked the local food pantry. I have done my best to research and tell the story of this nations military past and always pushed to honor those who have worn the uniform because I believe their stories need to be told and their service honored. I do these things because they are the right thing to do and because service to humanity is life’s best work. I’ve been a patron of the theater since I was 20, and a student of the culinary arts for longer than that. Please, spare me the life lectures you think I need and the insults to my intellect and abilities. If I should find an occasion when I need your advice, rest assured, I’ll ask for it. Until then, don’t presume to lecture me like some child.
JF,
Your attempted belittlement of my website was appreciated, Why?
You spelled the name right (shameless plug) OutRageToday.Com
Like my Buddhist Buddy, I tend to connect dots on occasion, sometimes I get interesting pictures, sometimes I look back and see a mess. Point is, I like to think I think some like Consti, connecting dots that is. A thinking mans game, I don’t suspect you visit often.
For you I have a story about a drunk man who was found trying to give a long dead possum CPR on the side of the road. Good intentions, maybe a little challenged in connecting dots.
JF
I would put forth, in style, substance and entertainment, your in the middle of a heat of solid runners.
Let’s put politics aside. Your foundations are built on the philosophical sand of an inclined lot. Transitorily principles hold the reigns of erratic practice.
You are quick to disassemble any line of thought that puzzles you.
Some of the better thinkers connect dots to see if pictures appear. Sometimes they can be seen, some not, but all require a depth of thought foreign to your way of thinking.
A good example of practical communication, which I assume is meant to influence readers outside of those you attempt to deride, tin foil hat obviously implies instability, yet in the same sentence you note his “serpentine logic”, a compliment I would think.
As for your political consulting career, sounds like you’ve been successful. I don’t blame you for blowing your own horn, it shows you put feet to your misguided sentiments.
I have never risen to running even a local campaign, but remember with all fondness working the phone room for John Anderson (I) in 1979-80, and lots of similar activities (at that type of level) since.
However, may I suggest something to you JF? Try to have a balanced, less angry life. Bitterness is bad for the digestion. Personally I spend more time working on behalf of the Special Olympics (not so much with the most wonderful kids God makes), but doing a little speaking and fund raising.
Find something that makes you smile in a less sarcastic way, look for the heart instead of aiming for it so much, and your interaction with others may include a lot less sand kicking to the faces of skinny kids you (and maybe you only) see as weak or inferior.
J,
Show me a superior conservative writer on this site and I’ll be happy to engage in a philosophical discussion. But, since from what I’ve seen from all of them, present company included Mr. Outrage Today, I’d need to get myself fitted for a tin foil hat to follow the serpentine logic and rampant paranoia, I’ll pass on the debate. I’ve found that since 2008 it’s better to leave conservatives to their own world. It’s a rather small narrow place, but that’s ok, everyone seems to get along there.
By the way, thanks for the critique of my sales technique. That and $2 will buy you a cup of coffee. And FYI in six campaigns I’ve been a part of I‘ve only lost one and that was by 30 votes in a ward that had its highest voter turnout in close to 20 years. I’m very good at what I do, and I’m always learning new moves.
JF,
I am compelled, the automatic mental link between gratuity and votes in the liberal camp seem somehow appropriate.
Feel “free” to knock on the conservative door of a superior writer, I’m sure Consti enjoys listening to the pitch of a progressive salesman, but he is unlikely to buy your line of thought product, no matter how entitled you feel to collect from him.
FYI, talented salesmen rarely take an aggressive stance. Often their foot becomes hurt when inserted within the slamming door of even the most open mind.
Classy and fact based to the end. Thanks for staying true to form. Oh just FYI, I showed some of your “articles” to some friends of mine that are running campaigns. They said if you actually had readers they would pay you to keep writing. Every screwball article like you turn out is worth $5,000 in donations and 50 votes. I’ll spare you the comments that would offend your delicate ears. Thanks for the laughs.
Dough boy,
Damage control? The only damage is in your head.
Nice try at damage control. I’d be more apt to buy discounted swamp land than I would that line.
You are a riot! And how are we to know that the video you posted isn’t more saboteurs from your side? We don’t. Like I said in the article you are a “Win at all costs” mentality.
So far the only problem I’ve had is that when people see the video’s of the average tea partier or read one of these blog posts I have to take a ten minute break because they are laughing to hard.
I suggest you refer back the the video’s I posted earlier and ask which Tea partier needs help looking stupid; the grown ma in the Harry Potter get up? The girl who thinks the government will send the old a suicide pill? The guy who opposed the bill but didn’t have a clue what was in it? The Tea party is sabotaging itself, every time one of them tries to answer a simple question.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/04/16/nbc_reporter_to_black_man_at_tea_party_have_you_ever_felt_uncomfortable.html
THER IS NOTHING IN MY ARTICLE ABOUT USURPING THE TEA PARTY BY DEMOCRATS. Again try reading it says SABOTAGE. Lying and misrepresenting themselves for what they are not.
Ah, never let facts get in the way of demonizing the left.
Thanks for the laugh. Please, keep posting and commenting, it makes my job of electing liberals that much easier.
I never stated that liberals were “usurping” the tea party. I said “Sabotage” you know the TITLE of this article. But it means two different things. So apples to oranges buddy. Apples to oranges.
Dough boy,
Thank you for your opinion. As arcane as it was. Keep commenting please. It amuses me. And as for the Tea Party only time will tell.
ROFL!! That’s a scream. And highly dubious as to his chances of success.
Turns out the resident Kings of the Straw Man arguments weren’t that far off. The TEA Parties have been usurped! No, not by those evil liberals, but by……Russo Marsh, a long time GOP allied consulting firm that saw in the TEA Parties the chance to….wait for it….MAKE MONEY FOR THEIR PAC! That’s right, it’s not the evil liberals, it’s just good old fashioned money grubbing conservatives usurping this most noble grassroots movement. See the plan here. http://www.politico.com/static/PPM154_teapartyexpress041709.html
The full story can be seen here http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35785.html
The bigger question here is why would liberals ever want these groups to go away? Every time Sarah Palin, and the marry band of the slow witted go in front of a camera electing liberals gets that much easier. The TEA Party claim to success is Scott Brown who won against possibly the most pathetic candidate the Democratic Party has ever put up. And since winning Scott Brown has been a moderate at best, refusing to attend the TEA Party in Boston after that group claimed his election as their success. Every other time the TEA party have stuck its nose into a race they have gotten beat with a stick up to and including Tuesday, where a Democrat won a special election in very Republican Florida.
Liberals are trying to usurp the TEA Party…Thanks for the laugh.
No need to worry about Laura and the Dems, The Tea Party finally got a new leader and organization to stop Dems and Republicans alike from taking over the movement. Fred is in charge now!
http://outragetoday.com/ (a shameless plug for a relevent story I thought you’d love to here about), it give you something to chew on, and definately a follow up story on where this grass roots movement is going.
The fun doesn’t stop there kids. Democratic operatives are jumping on the band wagon as well.
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/04/14/alinskys-avenging-angels-tea-party-saboteurs/
Infringing on the rights of citizens in all in a days work for them. And bad news for you.
Laura,
I don’t have the time to dig through all your past responses, but your advocacy of public humiliation is there. So back up YOUR claims some time and I might mine. And as always its good to see a 6 paragraph tie raid from a typical ravenous liberal. You talk about the tea party being for it’s own pockets. I got news for you chickiepoo only HALF of America pays taxes. And the DEMs plan to blow off the budget this year. So before you cast stones as a good judgmental Christian perhaps you should educate yourself a little more.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100407/ap_on_bi_ge/us_no_taxes
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/13/personal-income-falls-32-during-obamas-15-months
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35647.html
As always thank you for your rant. I encourage you to continue.
Erik,
I can respect that.
For the record, I definitely agree that the Tea Parties have been sabotaged by the Left. It just seems that we have different ideas of the source, the reason, and the method.
“You have to trust someone sometime.”
I do trust many people sometimes, some people often and a few people always. It just so happens that that never includes those in government or those who government answers to. And when I say “answers to”, I don’t mean “We the People”, though that would surely be nice.
Consti,
When did I ever call for that kind of treatment? Please leave my name out of it unless you can back it up.
Also, in just one example, I suppose that when the young members of the RNC and the Bush campaigns staged “protests” during the Florida recounts in 2000 right in the hallway outside the door to the election office in order to make the election officials feel threatened enough to temporarily stop counting so they would not meet deadlines, that was okay? Committing what was essential election tampering? Especially when recounts were showing that Gore was winning after he had already won the national popular vote? It only seems that it is wrong to you when it is claimed to be done by liberals against conservatives. ..Saul Alinsky and “pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it”- you’ve learned well, since you do that to everyone who has written on this site that does not agree with you, even if they are only commenting.
As J Festa said, the Tea Party doesn’t need liberals help to look fractious or like they have racist, ignorant or hateful members who make the whole cause look bad. There are planty of signs and quotes from every one of the protests that do that. There are recognized members of the movement and “leaders” like Grover Norquist, Dick Armey, Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin who do a far better job than any liberal could…
I guess next you’ll be saying that liberals dubbed their voices over Mike Huckabees public comments, that the liberals are the ones who are writing Sarah Palin’s speeches and Facebook comments before she can do anything about it, that liberals charged up the tabs at the strip clibs and signed the RNC’s name to them or created the PowerPoint RNC document from their national meeting and broke into a RNC hotel room to leave it there for someone to find…Maybe the liberals are responsible for Watergate too, dubbing Nixon’s voice onto tapes and placing them into his office…I’m sure they are responsible for Iran-Contra too (and Ollie North was a Communist infiltrator trained by the Viet Cong during the war)…After all, it’s all a vast liberal conspiracy! Those lying, cheating, evil liberals, we KNOW it’s all their fault LOL…
Only the righteous and virtuous are self-proclaimed liberals or conservatives (at least for this week, until they think they can get a better deal somewhere else). Again, “pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” You really have a lot of nerve pointing the finger…
If the American people can hold themselves together long enough to actually do something constructive with their reactionary anger, then fine. They can vote for the short-sighted agendas pressed by most of the prominent members of the Tea Party (who are not FOR the people at all but their own pockets and those of their friends). Shrinking and removing government and cutting taxes achieves nothing positive for the majority of Americans without fundamental societal changes and reform (ethics and attitudes) to go along with it. You simply remove the dog from the sheep meadow and throw open the gate. Grover Norquist, Dick Armey and the rest of the K Street gang are more than ready to pounce at that…
If it weren’t for the fact that my child and my family will pay for the results, I would say “Give them what they want and let them learn to be careful what they wish for the hard way, since that’s the only way they seem to learn.” Americans would then relearn why the government had to get involved in many of these areas to begin with…until they get comfortable, feel safe and forget-and have to be reminded again. It is hard to prove how much worse things would be if things were done differently and government had never gotten involved. But considering that next week the public will want something else (after being sold on it by Madison Avenue) and will take no responsibility for the results of their actions, simply look for someone else to blame, I’m not willing to take that risk.
J Byron,
“You suggest fighting fire with fire, and then are worried about looking extreme!”
It’s not that I am worried about looking extreme. No no no. It’s about not giving them the ammo they want. If they are already planting agents within the party imagine the press that ballooning them would garner. Personally I’m all for the tar and feathers. But giving them the justification to say the movement is violent is counter productive.
Erik,
You have to trust someone sometime. And since as you state that “The Establishment have always infiltrated movements such as these and have flipped them on their heads for the purpose of advancing their police state.” this should not be one of those times. Especially when they are willing to be so brazen about it. How do you think the Liberals were able to gain control of congress? One of the complaints I have about Republicans is that they are too willing to play by the rules of decency, and their opponent is not. Then when they are boonswaggled they complain about underhanded tactics. We are well past the “good old days” of politics being about debate and compromise. That is apparent by the actions of congress today. We are coming into the days of having legislation rammed down the throat of the people despite their not wanting it. If you have a better suggestion I am more than happy to hear it.
Consti,
I am not even sure if I trust the origin of the Tea Party movement. But for the sake of conversation, let’s assume that its roots are sincere as is its evolvement. The Establishment have always infiltrated movements such as these and have flipped them on their heads for the purpose of advancing their police state. Just look at the week after the passage of Obamacare, for example. There were all of these alleged threats against some politicians (which I have never seen a video or heard an audio of yet, by the way). They are exploiting these year-long protests. Napolitano, head of Homeland Security has already dubbed the tea party types as terrorists based on the “fact” that they oppose the government. And let’s not forget that the DHS is a spin off (aka enforcer) of the Patriot Act which was also created out of the ruins of legitimate and exploited chaos.
Consti,
ACORN pimp was only covered by MSM after constant repeat coverage by FOX, and then only when the general population was outraged did the MSM reluctantly acknowledge and cover the story.
You suggest fighting fire with fire, and then are worried about looking extreme! Are the liberal attack dogs worried about that, hell no.
The union thuggery beats our people, with what coverage?
I like a blue dye ballon and confetti, you can’t ignore that! Not as good as tar and feathers used on the British spies of the revolution, but Silver was being kinder than I.
Lastly, The tea party MUST include a wider segment. There are a lot of conservative (Reagan) dems without a home, and a growing number of non-religious, non-affilliated people who may not feel welcome because they can’t bring themselves to support a Palin or Romney. My hunch is that the majority of Americans would be tea party backers “if” we focus like a laser beam on getting rid of the nanny state by reducing the size and reach of Government.
Yes, you’ll hear my Long-shot Ron Paul drum continually over the next 2 years.
Let Paul take the podium at some tea parties and I think the dynamics would change for the better. We need less call to God, Guns and Glory and more “Leave us the hell alone, we’ll take care of the rest”.
I of course am very big on God, no offense meant.
J Byron,
“The MSM will go way out of it’s way to uncover a conservative “plant”, and go way out if it’s way to ignore an obvious liberal “Plant”.”
They didn’t catch a “Pimp and Prostitute” at ACORN my friend. It can be done.
SilverWun,
I was always a fan of paintball. But even something as simple as a water balloon would be called “violent” despite the use of paint by Code Pink, ELF, and various others. I am for the treatment that Laura Bramble prescribed for conservatives. Public humiliation. Simply have the crowd around point and chant “liberal”, “domocrat”, “plant”, or even “spy.” If it’s caught on live camera that’s even better.
Erik,
I can understand your concerns about the Tea Party. It’s a new movement and sloppy at the moment. But it’s obvious by the reaction of planting agents within the party that it has some people scared by it’s potential. Fear is a powerful motivator.
(Quiet! Listen! Smell that?)
Now remember; “pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” This will allow you to deflate, defeat, and appear to outwit, marginalize, or basically put on defense any opposition to your cause. Whatever those causes may be.
Thank you Mr. Alinsky.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntrrUzNiggQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFtvw4pFsTM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHItY5Anj3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_s-lvpRj00&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pilG7PCV448
So the only way to make the Tea Party crowd look bad is to plant liberal in the crowd? I think they’re doing that well enough just answering questions.
I’d be armed….
With blue spray paint, blue confetti and blue dye water balloons to hurl at the loons and disclose them for who they are.
I have mixed feelings on the Tea Party movement as a whole. But that is a different conversation for a different day. Where we are in total agreement, again, is on the MSM blatant hypocrisy and the fact that if this involved protests that opposed a conservative platform, the crowds would be deemed heroic. When protestors gather to oppose a conservative policy, the media reminds everyone of how these people are exercising their constitutional rights. But when people gather to oppose a liberal policy, they are called all of the names you mentioned in your article and more, including terrorists.
Consti,
Great minds think alike: http://outragetoday.com/2010/04/11/liberal-attack-dogs-and-gop-lap-dogs/
One who is prone to want to look good to all is tempted to say, well, the republicans do it too. I say BS! They may try, but they don’t have the same attack dog instincts, and conservatives in general are people of principle.
Where we may have that 3-4% willing to fight fire with fire, the Liberals have 96-97% who have, let’s just say to be nice, evolving or transitory principles.
And the Tea Party vulnerability, no big media who will report known lies.
I can say with every certainty, Conservative media, like it’s proponents, are guided by truth and principles that used to be considered universal good. The MSM will go way out of it’s way to uncover a conservative “plant”, and go way out if it’s way to ignore an obvious liberal “Plant”.
Only the good die young.