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		<title>By: Erik the Red</title>
		<link>http://www.whowillwinthe2012election.com/obama-in-2012-with-help-from-his-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-1971</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik the Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dfunzy, 

I can respect that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dfunzy, </p>
<p>I can respect that.</p>
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		<title>By: Consti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember children the Chicago way is to intimidate, threaten, bribe, cajole, and strong arm your oppisition. It&#039;s how Bugsy Malone, Hoffa, and Capone did it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember children the Chicago way is to intimidate, threaten, bribe, cajole, and strong arm your oppisition. It&#8217;s how Bugsy Malone, Hoffa, and Capone did it!</p>
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		<title>By: Consti</title>
		<link>http://www.whowillwinthe2012election.com/obama-in-2012-with-help-from-his-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-1965</link>
		<dc:creator>Consti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura,

You are right my apologies. Try this for on topic.

&quot;“Don’t think we’re not keeping score, brother,” Obama told DeFazio during a closed-door meeting of the House Democratic Caucus, according to members afterward.&quot;

Pasted from &gt;http://thehill.com/homenews/house/72889-pelosi-rahm-do-not-scare-rep-defazio&lt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura,</p>
<p>You are right my apologies. Try this for on topic.</p>
<p>&#8220;“Don’t think we’re not keeping score, brother,” Obama told DeFazio during a closed-door meeting of the House Democratic Caucus, according to members afterward.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pasted from &gt;<a href="http://thehill.com/homenews/house/72889-pelosi-rahm-do-not-scare-rep-defazio&#038;lt" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/homenews/house/72889-pelosi-rahm-do-not-scare-rep-defazio&#038;lt</a>;</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Bramble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Bramble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consti,

Please be topical to what is being discussed or commented on. The topic of my comment was about parties policing and bad mouthing their own. Your comment had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

Next...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consti,</p>
<p>Please be topical to what is being discussed or commented on. The topic of my comment was about parties policing and bad mouthing their own. Your comment had nothing to do with what I was talking about.</p>
<p>Next&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Consti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura,

&quot;I thought that McCain and company promised consensus and placing effective soultions over maintaining party lines. Maybe my memory of hearing him and countless other GOP candidates is incorrect…&quot; - I seem to remember Obama promising the same thing then refusing to meet with Republicans on Healthcare. Or comments from Fancy Nancy along the lines of &quot;we won the election we write the bill.&quot;

I also remember;

THEN-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE BARACK OBAMA: We&#039;re going to have to change the culture in Washington so that lobbyists and special interests aren&#039;t driving the process and your voices aren&#039;t being drowned out.

Yet the SEIU has THE MOST visits to the white house and plaid a big part in writing health care. Just reminding you of the facts from short term memory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura,</p>
<p>&#8220;I thought that McCain and company promised consensus and placing effective soultions over maintaining party lines. Maybe my memory of hearing him and countless other GOP candidates is incorrect…&#8221; &#8211; I seem to remember Obama promising the same thing then refusing to meet with Republicans on Healthcare. Or comments from Fancy Nancy along the lines of &#8220;we won the election we write the bill.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also remember;</p>
<p>THEN-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE BARACK OBAMA: We&#8217;re going to have to change the culture in Washington so that lobbyists and special interests aren&#8217;t driving the process and your voices aren&#8217;t being drowned out.</p>
<p>Yet the SEIU has THE MOST visits to the white house and plaid a big part in writing health care. Just reminding you of the facts from short term memory.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Bramble</title>
		<link>http://www.whowillwinthe2012election.com/obama-in-2012-with-help-from-his-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-1962</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Bramble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik,

If the Dems are so much rougher on their own, then please explain why any GOP who crosses the line of NO to create workable solutions is branded a RINO and blacklisted? I thought that McCain and company promised consensus and placing effective soultions over maintaining party lines. Maybe my memory of hearing him and countless other GOP candidates is incorrect...

But then I&#039;m sure that the GOP&#039;s refusal to cooperate with the Dems is somehow all their fault anyway...Check the John Birch Society or other such website and see if there&#039;s a link to prove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik,</p>
<p>If the Dems are so much rougher on their own, then please explain why any GOP who crosses the line of NO to create workable solutions is branded a RINO and blacklisted? I thought that McCain and company promised consensus and placing effective soultions over maintaining party lines. Maybe my memory of hearing him and countless other GOP candidates is incorrect&#8230;</p>
<p>But then I&#8217;m sure that the GOP&#8217;s refusal to cooperate with the Dems is somehow all their fault anyway&#8230;Check the John Birch Society or other such website and see if there&#8217;s a link to prove it.</p>
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		<title>By: dfunzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dfunzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. I am serious about the underlying points that I make.  And I think your response add to the discussion.  

As far as J.
J  and I kid on the surface, a little teasing, then we get to the underlying points we are presenting.

Continue pointing out where you disagree with what I write. It will keep things interesting. It is an old cliché, but it is full of truth -- &quot;we can disagree  without being disagreeable.&quot;  I know you aren&#039;t here to be writing just to be writing, that you are a serious person,  but if what we write here is to have any utility, we must keep the reader in mind, and keep the focus on the points we are making and not on our personal opinion of each other.  After saying that, understand, J and I kid around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. I am serious about the underlying points that I make.  And I think your response add to the discussion.  </p>
<p>As far as J.<br />
J  and I kid on the surface, a little teasing, then we get to the underlying points we are presenting.</p>
<p>Continue pointing out where you disagree with what I write. It will keep things interesting. It is an old cliché, but it is full of truth &#8212; &#8220;we can disagree  without being disagreeable.&#8221;  I know you aren&#8217;t here to be writing just to be writing, that you are a serious person,  but if what we write here is to have any utility, we must keep the reader in mind, and keep the focus on the points we are making and not on our personal opinion of each other.  After saying that, understand, J and I kid around.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik the Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik the Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dfunzy,

I have been. 

My responses may have been a little more &quot;serious&quot; than the &quot;mood&quot; of your article, but they have still been relevant and have stuck with the point you made about how some of the shrill Right will strengthen the President&#039;s re-election run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dfunzy,</p>
<p>I have been. </p>
<p>My responses may have been a little more &#8220;serious&#8221; than the &#8220;mood&#8221; of your article, but they have still been relevant and have stuck with the point you made about how some of the shrill Right will strengthen the President&#8217;s re-election run.</p>
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		<title>By: dfunzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dfunzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erick:
J and I are kidding each other. You should read what he is writing about me! (lols) It is all in good humor to lighten up the serious stuff we discuss here. Go back and check both of our comments and his posts and you shall see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erick:<br />
J and I are kidding each other. You should read what he is writing about me! (lols) It is all in good humor to lighten up the serious stuff we discuss here. Go back and check both of our comments and his posts and you shall see.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik the Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik the Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dfunzy,

(1) Nothing I said was in defense of J Byron. As you mentioned, I recognize that he is fully capable of defending himself. I simply viewed it as a maniacal tirade - which it was - and chimed in accordingly. The fact that I mentioned J Byron was only due to the fact that he was the focus of your gripe.

(2) Liberals avoiding public dissent far outweighs that of Conservatives. As a matter of fact, if a Liberal dares disagree (enter your beloved Joe Liebermann who is still one of the most liberal Senators around), they are not only kicked to the curb, put kicked ON the curb. Yet, if an Arlen Specter defects, this is deemed acceptable among the rank and file of the Dem Party.

(3) Yes, your desire for assistance to Obama&#039;s re-election cause is already highly evident. And my response is that if he keeps going the way he is going, he had better pray that the Republicans help him win, if that were more than a fantasy of your liberally-saturated mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dfunzy,</p>
<p>(1) Nothing I said was in defense of J Byron. As you mentioned, I recognize that he is fully capable of defending himself. I simply viewed it as a maniacal tirade &#8211; which it was &#8211; and chimed in accordingly. The fact that I mentioned J Byron was only due to the fact that he was the focus of your gripe.</p>
<p>(2) Liberals avoiding public dissent far outweighs that of Conservatives. As a matter of fact, if a Liberal dares disagree (enter your beloved Joe Liebermann who is still one of the most liberal Senators around), they are not only kicked to the curb, put kicked ON the curb. Yet, if an Arlen Specter defects, this is deemed acceptable among the rank and file of the Dem Party.</p>
<p>(3) Yes, your desire for assistance to Obama&#8217;s re-election cause is already highly evident. And my response is that if he keeps going the way he is going, he had better pray that the Republicans help him win, if that were more than a fantasy of your liberally-saturated mind.</p>
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