Greetings! Consti here with more on the immigration issue that no one really talks about. The dirty little secrets that liberals would rather sweep under the rug. That is the reconquesta movement. According to their website their ultimate objective is “the civilized, non-violent, democratic “liberation” of the North American continent from European-descendants.” The organization seeks to create a future nation called Anahuac. This nation will comprise North and Central America, fused into a single super-state. The Mexica Movement asserts that the entire continent of North America, which they refer to as “Anahuac“, belongs collectively to the indigenous people of North America: Mexicans, Central Americans, Native Americans, South Americans, and Canadian First Nations.
“We say Europeans are the illegals – since 1492”
“Repatriation” of white population back to Europe
Given this new majority status, the organization seeks to have “white supremacist European settlers” become the first to “return” to Europe. The next phase, the group advocates, should be a civilized negotiation to repatriate the remaining white population back into Europe, over the course of a few generations. Also to be addressed will be discussions of how Europe and European-descent people will collectively deliver reparations to the peoples of the Western Hemisphere.
On its Website, the movement states that” Europeans have a homeland: EUROPE. We are only asking unwelcomed guests (racists) to leave our home. These racist Europeans have a home to go to. The non-racists can be part of a transition to our full independence, it’s not as if Europeans are being asked to go into the Atlantic Ocean. They have a beautiful home called Europe.”
Pasted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexica_Movement
However if you REALLY want to know about the reconquesta movement just listen to one of its supporters.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqPo5ofk0s
Of course these are the FIRST people to claim racism. However have you heard about the organization La Raza? While they claim to be for the immigrant have you ever heard the chant: “Viva la raza? It means “Long live the race.” That’s right kids. Those complaining about racist Europeans (us) go out and chant “Long live the race!”
While talking heads make claims that tea-party activists are bordering on sedition here we have AN OUTRIGHT CALL to overthrow the U.S. government. And have you seen this in the MSM? The answer is no because the media is either complicit or just complacent. Either way the media is not doing its job. Instead they cry a river about the potential for racial profiling in Arizona. Well I got news for you kids the Mexicans have been blatantly profiling race all along.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06wlZAPwl9I
While little girls are told that pictures of Obama are good, but pictures of the U.S. flag are “bad” we have an entire movement dedicated to the undermining of our nations sovereignty. For those of you in Chicago, New York, Boston and the rest of the east coast you have NO idea of what is going on in your country. I suggest you do a little research today. Time to wake up America and smell the refried beans before all you are being fed is more of the same hope and change.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxnNeGTU8U8&feature=player_embedded
Enough said.
Consti.
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Consti,
Just be honest for once about motives and bias. I promise it won’t kill you and may actually make you a better person.
If this law was written and passed by a Dem, you would call it for the politically pandering double-speak BS that it is. Why won’t you do it here? That’s right–because the REPUBLICAN wrote it, promoted it and signed it into law. Can you please explain to me exactly how this law as written will do anything to reduce the number of illegals that come into the country, as well as the crimes that have been committed, over and above any other legislation already in existence if it is not used for profiling? I truly would love to hear it and this all could be settled.
Try separating the politics from the issues for once and maybe you will keep some of the egg off your face…
You haven’t even mentioned the fact that all an illegal has to do is not break the law and drive properly and he will never get stopped, so will never get asked for his papers and the law will do absolutely nothing.
If he is stopped, the cops will already have to ask him for ID under previous laws, which he will not be able to produce since he is not legal and he will already get busted.
So what exactly is this law supposed to accomplish?
And a cop could legally stop someone, including citizens who happen to look Hispanic, for something as simple as jaywalking. If they don’t have papers on them that shows them as legal, they can be arrested and at the very least will be fined.
Again, what is this law supposed to accomplish that is any different than what is already out there that is worth the potential risk? In order to get in trouble for profiling, a cop has to get caught and someone has to tell on them, then it has to be blatant profiling.
I will say again, this law at best is BS posturing for elections so that the AX GOP look tough on illegal immigration. It will do nothing to reduce how many people are coming over the border, the crime issues that come along with the drug trade from Mexico or affect any illegal who does what is necessary to keep his nose clean. On the flip side, it gives cops the leeway to harrass citizens over petty issues and to resurrect BS laws that everyone has ignored for years, but have not removed from the books because no one enforced them anyway. It gives cops an out by giving them the justification that the HAD to do it under the law. The only actual benefit this law hasto affect illegal immigration is if it IS used to promote profiling, which is a violation of the constitutional rights of everyone in the state who is or appears to be Latino. And if cops are not permitted to profile under the law, then the law is bogus from the start….
The points made by even those who haven’t read the law are not off base…How many supporters have actually read the law? Would they support it if they knew just how ieffectual and bogus it is? Or are they supporting it because they believe it will actually do anything or because they secretly approve of racial profiling of Latinos? Given the fact that you cannot profile Latinos without unnecessarily stopping Latinos who are legal immigrants or citizens in the search for illegals, you cannot promote the profiling of Latinos without commiting constitutional violations.
opps… I did it again
Arizona’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers even more than once thought — a whopping $2.7 billion in 2009, according to researchers at the public interest group that helped write the state’s new immigration law.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/17/immigration-costs-rising-rapidlty-new-study-says/
Dough boy,
Here you go tough guy. Blows your BS about crime going down in Phoenix.
NOGALES, Mexico — U.S. Border Patrol statistics indicate that illegal crossings from Mexico into Arizona are rising as the state prepares to enact the nation’s toughest immigration law.
The Border Patrol says arrests there have increased 6 percent so far this fiscal year, while overall crossings to the U.S. are down 9 percent. The agency uses apprehensions to estimate the flow of migrants.
Smugglers are opting for easier routes in the southeastern and southwestern corners of the state as the main Arizona desert corridor becomes dangerous because of drug trafficking, migrant monitors said.
Arizona state Rep. John Kavanagh said Tuesday the increase in arrests didn’t spur the law taking effect in July, rather factors that mounted over several years.
Laura,
And while we are at it those politicians that haven’t read the law are MISLEADING (that means lying) to the public about this law and it’s POTENTIAL consequences. Kind of like Democrat who is lying about his military service.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/nyregion/18blumenthal.html
Laura,
As usual attack the messenger not the message.
IF (Big I big F) you read the law then you know that police officers who profile not only face a fine but CRIMINAL PROSECUTION! So why in the world would a cop do it? Do you not have faith in the unionized police force? Additionally there are 4 things in the law that are required before they can even ask for papers.
So why are you and the nitwits in power who haven’t read the law assuming racial profiling will happen.
Nice try but your argument is still BS. If they haven’t read the law then they are ASSUMING this will happen. Funny thing is it already has but it was an ICE officer that did it. And as for checking papers Obama is having graduates supply ID to shake his hand at their commencement. So what really is the difference?
Either you support enforcing the existing federal law or you are for breaking the law.
Which is it?
And what about the ones who have and still have issues with it? Is that your standard defense now of this piece of useless at best piece of CYA, lip-service, image-boosting legislation–that they just didn’t read it? The best that could happen with this legislation is that it does absolutely nothing. The worst that could happen is that it opens the door to the very concerns raised by Holder, Napolitano and the like.
And before you accuse me of not reading it instead of addressing my point, I have read it…Besides, you don’t read even half of the stuff you post as links but still comment on it based on just what the headlines say, so do you really have the right to point the finger? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me…
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! >GASP< HAHAHAHAH!!! This is just too funny!!
State Department Spokesman Critical of Arizona Law Admits He Too Hasn’t Read It
http://www.breitbart.tv/state-department-spokesman-critical-of-arizona-law-admits-he-too-hasnt-read-it/
Democrats can READ english right? or are they do busy whipping up racial tensions to suit there own needs without knowing what they are talking about? Maybe G.W. bush should read it to them in a fireside!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/17/threat_on_border_with_mexico_possible_terrorists_entering_us.html
OH THIS JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER!!
“Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano admits she hasn’t read the Arizona immigration law, but passed judgment on it anyway. “That’s not the kind of law I would have signed,” she declared.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/17/napolitano_admits_she_hasnt_read_arizona_law_but_says_she_wouldnt_sign_it.html
That’s two Liberal Democrats that have passed judgement on the law who have not READ the law. What is it they say about assuming?
Homeland Security and the DOJ. Two arms of the Federal Government that are supposed to defend our borders AND THEY DON’T READ THE LAW! I’m shocked they can speed read 2,000 pages of healthcare but can’t make it through 17 pages of clearly written legislation!
Now I know where that smell of fear is comming from… incompetence.
Dough boy,
“Short cited idiots would presume all accused of being here illegally are guilty.”
Exactly what part of here illegally do you not understand nitwit? They are guilty simply by being in the country illegally. I know it’s hard to understand with a 5th grade education but try it some times.
While others talk a big game about “civil rights” you’ll notice they never talk about the civil rights of CITIZENS to go to the mall without being kidnapped. Or the civil rights of CITIZENS killed on the border. They talk big but when it comes to understanding the issue EVEN ERIC HOLDER HAS FILED TO READ THE LAW HE DENOUNCES!!
I say follow the letter of the law not the AG’s “impression” of it! DO YOUR FRIGG’N JOB HOLDER!
And then there is this…..
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/f-16s-shadow-ultralight-plane-near-border
Or this….
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/human_trafficking_minors_hope_covenant_05172010
how about this…
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/sw_valley/mcso_cockfighting_ring_bust_05172010
WON’T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!! – Helen Lovejoy.
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/immigration/children_rescued_human_smugglers_05122010
Since all you were yelling about for days on end. Here, once again are the Crime stats for Phoenix, which you claim to be an expert on. Stats which clearly show you to be wrong. These statistics show a clear reduction in crimes against both persons and property.
http://phoenix.gov/POLICE/ucrhistpart1v.pdf
http://phoenix.gov/POLICE/ucrhistpart1p.pdf
Here are the last three years of reports from the ARIZONA Department of public safety that show not only is crime down in Phoenix, but also over the ENTIRE STATE.
http://www.azdps.gov/About/Reports/docs/Crime_In_Arizona_Report_2008.pdf
http://www.azdps.gov/About/Reports/docs/Crime_In_Arizona_Report_2007.pdf
http://www.azdps.gov/About/Reports/docs/Crime_In_Arizona_Report_2006.pdf
Once again, these reports show a reduction in crime over the last three years despite the state population increasing. Still not convinced? CNN Reporting on the matter,
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/29/arizona.immigration.crime/index.html
Now I have explained this multiple times but I know reading comprehension isn’t your thing, so once more. Everyone, EVERYONE, accused of a crime under U.S. law, that includes violating the immigration laws, is entitled to Due Process. Due Process, the bedrock of the American Legal System. It means everyone get a hearing before a judge, the right to a trial by a jury of their pears, the right to council, to hear the evidence against them, and face their accuser. That’s Due Process.
I would rather see this country, as it has in the past, bend over backwards to protect the rights of everyone accused, then see one innocent man spend a day in prison because someone felt he wasn’t deserving of those protections. Innocent until proven guilty is a precious thing in this country, and a fragile thing. Short cited idiots would presume all accused of being here illegally are guilty. An accusation does not equal guilt, as much as some would like it to. All, ALL accused get the protection of Due Process of the Law. This is the only way the protections of rights are kept. Remove Due Process for those accused of being here illegally. Give them no hearing, no chance to appeal for leniency, to have the penalty be a fine and other steps to be followed, which is allowed for those who have not broken any other law, save crossing illegally. How easy does it then become to say anyone who is accused of this crime or that crime should not have rights. Remove Due Process for one group and pretty soon it goes away all together, and an accusations becomes good enough to convict someone. That may be good enough for other countries. That may even be good enough and acceptable to some in this country, but I would remind them, THIS IS THE UNITED STATES!! The last time we meddled with those rights we were in the middle of a Civil War, and even then, the supreme court ruled the the suspension of habeas corpus was unconstitutional. WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS. And anyone who breaks those laws, gets their protections until judgment is passed, and after that, the fair carrying out of their sentence.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/13/holder_criticizes_arizona_immigration_law_he_hasnt_read.html
As many of you know our Attorney General Eric Holder has not read the Arizona immigration law by his own admitted. The President of the United States attacked Arizona for this law as being “misguide.” Now ask yourself if the President has read the law?
Isn’t it the JOB of the Attorney General and the DOJ to inform the President of what’s actually in the law? Shouldn’t Holder have told Mr. Obama that he was not sure that what the President was saying to the country was accurate or not? When in your memory can you recall a sitting President treating any other state as he did Arizona. Oh yeah, Vegas.
Ask yourself this question. It’s really simply even liberal democrats should be able to answer it with a simple yes or no.
Is it right for an Attorney General to prosecute “on the basis of what I’ve heard about the law.” Or should they prosecute on the LETTER of the law?
Is it right for a sitting President to run over states rights “on the basis of what I’ve heard about the law.” Since obviously Eric Holder can’t factually tell him what’s in the law as is the AG’s job?
Who’s running the DOJ?
Dough boy,
What part of enforcing existing laws do you not understand? What part of “states rights” do you not understand? What part of lawful stop do you not understand? Do you know that your responsibility as a citizen is to report crime when you see it? Do you support Illegal immigrant supporters who call for the downfall of the U.S. government? Do you believe that U.S. citizens rights are more important than those here Illegally? Did you know Phoenix is the kidnapping capital of the U.S.?
AND THESE ARE CITY CRIMES NOT STATE CRIMES! Since you never been there and obviously flunked geography Phoenix is in the MIDDLE of the state (more or less). Tucson is the first major city you hit coming over the border. I tell you what dough boy, your homework tonight is to compare statistics for Tucson and Phoenix the report back to the class. This will be graded.
Those are just reported statistics short bus. Not the total number of crimes that are committed and go unreported. I tell you what when your pasty kiester actually leaves your state for the first time in your life then maybe you can lecture me about somewhere else. But since you have never been in the State then I would say you are a loudmouth who doesn’t know what he is talking about. But that’s just my opinion. Do you see me pretending to be an expert in Chicago crime? But then again for someone who like to be violent I’m not surprised that you don’t want to enforce the law.
Do you support spending tax dollars on illegal immigrants in this country who do not contribute to the tax burden? Do you believe that murder is a crime? Oh… wait! I forgot who I was talking to.
For the rest of us
Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the U.S. that is true. However, Tucson is the first stop from there once you leave Mexico. Most of the jump off points start there. And since old Dough boy here failed to say where or what his statistics were I suggest you all find out for yourselves. Don’t listen to me or him for that matter.
Educate yourself.
So let me get this straight, you are proving my contention that crime is down in Arizona wrong by providing a report from the City of Phoenix Police Department that shows CRIME IS DOWN. The report you linked to shows violent crime down in 2009 and Property crime significantly lower that it was in 1999. This despite the fact that the cities population had grown every year. THIS IS LAUGHABLE!!! Crime is down in the state and you just provided more numbers that prove it!!
http://phoenix.gov/POLICE/ucrhistpart1v.pdf
http://phoenix.gov/POLICE/ucrhistpart1p.pdf
Every set of numbers shows crime LOWER, LOWER than it has been in years past. Claiming it’s worse than ever is a joke and dismissing the fact as a talking point is an out right lie. It’s the truth. This is like yelling at everyone the sky is green, the sky is green, the sky is green, when all one has to do is look up and see a blue sky.
Here is your take home assignment for today class. You will not be graded on it, but the questions will be on the final…
1. Do you support the enforcement of existing laws? Yes/No
2. Do you support rewarding people who break the law? Yes/No
3. Do you support Illegal immigrant supporters who call for the downfall of the U.S. government? Yes/No
4. Do you know that your responsibility as a citizen is to report crime when you see it? Yes/No
5. Do you support spending tax dollars on illegal immigrants in this country who do not contribute to the tax burden? Yes/No
6. Do you believe in states rights? Yes/No
7. Do you believe that murder is a crime? Yes/No
8. Do you believe that the current immigration laws are enforced? Yes/No
9. Do you believe that U.S. citizens rights are more important than those here Illegally? Yes/No
10. Do you support the notion that social justice trumps written law? Yes/No
Observant Reader,
Nor do you mention how she claims I believe ALL Mexicans are Illegals. Despite mentioning several times that I have dated them in the past and never ONCE mentioning it in my articles or comments. Or Dough boys claims of xenophobia. Don’t make me laugh with your pot calling the kettle black.
If you smell fear I suggest you take a shower. Cause there is something here that stinks… and it’s the deception about this law.
Either you are for enforcing existing FEDERAL LAW or you are for breaking the law. It’s that simple. And while you are at it are you saying you condone La Raza’s rant about overthrowing the governement? I bet you also think the tea party protesters are terrorists too…
laughs and chuckles today folks from people who would allow more illegal immigrants like the times square bomber off scott free.
Do we enforce the law or reward breaking it? Simple yes no answer will be fine.
Observant Reader,
Nor do you mention how she claims I believe ALL Mexicans are Illegals. Despite mentioning several times that I have dated them in the past and never ONCE mentioning it in my articles or comments. Or Dough boys claims of xenophobia. Don’t make me laugh with your pot calling the kettle black.
If you smell fear I suggest you take a shower. Cause there is something here that stinks… and it’s the deception about this law.
Either you are for enforcing existing FEDERAL LAW or you are for breaking the law. It’s that simple.
Excuse me, but I read what Laura has written, Consti, and I don’t see where she ever said that illegals coming into the country is okay. And what has she said that isn’t true? I read the bill and see her points. It’s Eric holder that hasn’t read the bill. Maybe to you all liberals are alike, which wouldn’t be a surprise considering the very wide brush you constantly use to paint any group that is different from you.
I smell the whiff of fear coming from your words–and it’s not the first time.
And for those of you who state that terrorists aren’t comming in through the border there is this…
http://www.cis.org/faisal-shahzad
Why come through the border when you can just overstay your visa and attempt a bombing in times square…
For the rest of us…
Here I’ve made it real simple to find actual crime data for phoenix. Find out the truth here…
http://phoenix.gov/POLICE/crista1.html
For the rest of us….
Laura and her violent friend are spouting the liberal talking points like they are facts. When they have already been proved to be false. And rational adult who HAS ACTUALLY READ THE LAW will find it common sense implementation of an EXISTING federal law.
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
Read it for yourself and don’t take the word of two blowhard liberals. Or me for that matter. Read it for yourself and decide.
Laura & Dough boy,
Your arguments are laughable at best. At worst outright distortions of the law. Even Eric Holder didn’t read it and neither have you two. And for the record Laura the only person who has said “all illegal’s” are thieves and murders is you. If you bothered to read what I wrote you will find that I have DATED Mexicans many a time. So trying as usual to put words into my mouth. Typical. Your Alinsky attempts to make the article about me FAIL.
YOU ARE CONDONING THE BREAKING OF OUR LAWS AND THE MURDER OF OUR CITIZNES.
And that is disgraceful.
And Dough boy you wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you in the… well lets just say there is a lot to bite there.
“Rational people like me, Laura, pretty much anyone with higher level reasoning skills who isn’t a conservative…”.
This a political site. If you wish to perform comedy, hop in the line of Obama’s Supreme Court justice hopefuls.
What you and your ilk seem to be missing is this:
Un-enforced immigration laws become a joke and source or resentment.
Strength is respected and the laws of the strong create order. Order dispells choas and the resulting bitternesses on both sides. (I’m not suggesting shooting on site or inhuman imprisonments like Mexico has on it’s southern border)
Of the illegals “flooding” into our country of lawless borders, a ripe and desirable entry for that very small percentage of Muslim Extremist who do mean to hurt us in as horrible manner as they can conceive and achieve.
Someday when a suitcase dirty nuke gores off in Alanta, you can know you were part of “Let’s put up water stations and road maps in the desert ” crowd. Then preach to me about illegal rights.
Facts are facts, and numbers don’t lie. For all the yelling about not knowing what thing are like in Arizona the facts are that CRIME IS DOWN. Illegal immigration has been halved an then some thanks to the efforts of Customs and Border Patrol Agents. Now I know some will take your word for how things are in Arizona, and I have a Bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell them at a reasonable price. Rational people like me, Laura, pretty much anyone with higher level reasoning skills who isn’t a conservative, I’ll take the word of the actual LEO’s in Arizona, both local and federal who keep track of these things. I think they know a touch more than you.
J,
The following is the text of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, the middle of three known as the Civil War Amendments. You will not that it affirms the citizenship of ALL born or naturalized in the United States. The right by birth within these borders to citizenship had been a bedrock principal since 1868. This amendment is the result of a great many thousands of Union Soldiers who gave their lives to keep this country one nation. To undo it for the xenophobic hysteria of a few should be offensive to everyone. To undo this amendment, and thus remove the granting at birth to ALL, not just the children of illegal’s, but ALL is the surest first step to then undoing of every right. This amendment was paid for in blood. You would do well to remember that before trifling with it and the rights it affirms.
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
To use Consti logic, here’s documentd proof that all whites in AZ are bigoted and racist…HAHAHAHAHA….
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2009/11/fbi_reports_hate_crimes_up_in.php
Now, if that is a joke of a statement– and it is–so is pulling up isolated incidents and presenting them as an indictment of a whole group of people…All illegals are no more drug dealers, kidnappers, murderers and thieves as all whites in AZ are bigoted and racist.
Yes, I did read it Consti. Lawful stop as a condition or safeguard against racial profiling? I can be “lawfully stopped” for not hesitating long enough at a stop sign or “acting suspiciously” if the police had a mind to stop me. What a joke. If they followed a person long enough, they would find something to use as a “lawful stop.” That amendment and all the blustering about that is a load of hot air.
Go ahead and cite a few examples from the paper–with your track record on “proof” I’m sure they leave a good bit to be desired. But even if they are real, those few examples are a drop in the bucket and do not represent the whole. What was it—214,000 illegals were STOPPED in 2008. That doesn’t include how many got in. Even if there were 1,000 cases of murder and kidnapping , that’s still a very small percentage of illegals who commit these crimes. Certainly not the majority you would have us believe.
Making another law to reaffirm that the illegal action of another law is redudndant and adding a BS solution that does nothing to alleviate the problem is not enforcemant. Again, how is stopping people and asking for “papers” or fining people who are already caught breaking the law by harboring illegals going to do ANYTHING to change the situation while opening up a huge can of worms in regard to civil rights of anyone who looks Latino. To be honest, requiring the demonstration of papers to disprove a person is guilty of a crime goes against the presumption of innocence that is the hallmark of the legal system of this country. A cop is REQUIRED to ask someone to prove that they are not an illegal alien, since not having “papers” to present is a crime. This is the same as presuming that anyone who does not have papers is automatically an illegal alien. When a person who is not obviously Latino– let’s say they have red hair, blue eyes, pale skin and freckles– gets fined for not presenting their “papers” to prove they are not an illegal alien, you may have a point. But why do I feel that that person will never be asked, coinsidering the phrase is in there about “reasonable presumption.” What is the only basis for a “reasonable preseumption”? A person’s appearance or the presence of a Spanish accent, which many would confuse with accents from other countries like Italy or France. But that’s not legalized racial profiling? Come on…
This law, and the amendment that followed it, are political lip service and posturing for an election year. It is a joke. They are nothing but something the AZ GOP can point to and say “Look! We really are tough on illegal immigration.” For those AZ citizens who buy the hype, it serves a purpose and makes them feel tough. For those who don’t but see it is for the load of BS that it is, ask them how they feel after they or a family member has been stopped on their way to the store down the street so they don’t have their papers with them, but are citizens who happen to look Latino. The amendment about stops not being conducted according to race, gender, etc is a load of CYA bull. How many blond, blue eyed people or redheads with freckles, for example, are they going to check out as a potential illegal alien from Mexico?
Consti, this is even shamefully shallow posturing, even for you, but I’m not surprised. If this law had been proposed by or passed by a Dem, I can only imagine what you would be saying. You’d trot out the Latino ex as the certain future victim of racial profiling, along with every member of her family, and pull out articles that show instances where police have raped women stopped for traffic stops and statistics on how many incidents of racial profiling take place in the US every year…But hey, I’ll give you this much…at least your consistent, but no less foolish.
As far my not knowing what I’m talking about because I live in GA and not AZ, I’ll refer to the thing you pointed out a week or two ago–GA is where illegals end up after they enter the country. How come, if all illegals are the drug dealing, murdering, kidnapping, thieving psychopaths you portray them to be, are none of their crimes appearing in our newspapers or televisions? Could it be because they are not committing these kinds of crimes? That the vast majority of illegals are not what you would like them to be? Nah….that would be a reasonable and fact-based assumption and we can’t have any of that, now can we? I’m sure it is just what you will argue; that it is a vast left-wing conspiracy on the part of the leftist media in one of the most conservative states in the U.S. That is much more easy to believe…
WWRPD (What Would Ron Pual Do)
“A nation without borders is no nation at all.” Ron Paul
Ron Paul’s six point plan puts a stop to illegal immigration:
Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
“”I’ve just expressed concerns on the basis of what I’ve heard about the law. But I’m not in a position to say at this point, not having read the law, not having had the chance to interact with people are doing the review, exactly what my position is,” Mr. Holder told the House Judiciary Committee. ”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/13/holder_criticizes_arizona_immigration_law_he_hasnt_read.html
Dough Boy,
You tough guy would be eaten alive in Phoenix. The first time you opened you loud mouth.
Secret tunnel found under Yuma home
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Laura,
You still haven’t answered the question. Have you read SB1070? Nice try putting words in my mouth as usual, but again you sit in your comfortable home and have NEVER been to the state. You have no clue and are trying to tell 70% of the population how to live their lives and what laws a state can write. You my dear are a joke and your arrogant “holier than thou” attitude is also telling. Much like your loudmouth friend you blog with dough boy. Since you condone people breaking the law they next time you are assaulted don’t call the cops. Why should we write laws if they are not to be enforced. Again you fail to answer BASIC questions because YOU ARE IGNORANT of what is in SB1070. Really like your pasty white kiester would know what is in someones pack. Try any of the DOZEN news stories about it for a change. Maybe know what you are talking about?
Alinsky rules as usual Laura. You are becoming as boring as Dough boy is foul mouthed.
Dough boy,
Again, you don’t live there your pasty white Chicago kiester has admitted to never leaving your state! So who are you again to talk about what happens in Arizona? Nobody. The reason crime has gone down is Joe Arrpiao and his sweeps of illegal’s which you FAIL to mention. His civilian posies. Which of course brought down the wrath of the ACLU.
70% of the state supports it. THAT INCLUDES LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and 60% of the nation agrees with it. Again THAT INCLUDES LEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!
And as for violence in the west Dough boy people are shot on the freeway there for flipping other motorists the bird. It is an open carry state after all. It’s no joke when I say the desert is big and people go disappearing all the time. Try researching what you are talking about. Or I’ll flood this post with plenty of examples for your lazy mind.
For the rest of us….
Dough boy here has never left the crusty crime ridden area of Chicago by his prior admission. Many who don’t live in the southwest don’t understand the effect that illegal immigration has had there. It’s not like the nice Puerto Rican family that lives down the street. It’s more like MS13. While these people cry a river about alleged civil rights abuses I will again point out that THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT that they love so much has been THE FIRST TO STOP A CITIZEN in Arizona and ask for “papers.” NOT the local cops. The law hasn’t even gone into effect yet. These people who are against SB1070 are condoning the breaking of FEDERAL laws that have been on the books since the 40′s.
ENFORCE THE LAW! Or do the time.
J,
Since when do fact and reason have anything to do with it? We can’t be bothered with that…takes too much time and thought. Those are just pesky, easily discarded details that get in the way of REAL TRUTH…
The perception (or reality to those like Consti) is that all illegals are drug dealers, working for drug dealers, murderers, rapists and thieves. Heck, they probably are cross-dressing satan worshippers who wish to corrupt children by forcing them all to eat candy and not brush their teeth before they go to bed, too after slicing the tags off matresses…Anyone who says differently has no idea what they are talking about or is making excuses. Um, okay…
Consti says he saw one carrying drugs over the border, so all the broad generalizations he makes must be true…I guess he searched them or they wore a sign pointing out the drugs, because it couldn’t have been their possessions on their backs. Why would they do that? Why would they need clothes or anything else? If he was witnessing a crime in action, did he call the police or border patrol? He should have had them on speed dial with all of the crime committed by illegals that took place right before his very eyes.
And we are to trust the public to make informed decisions about the policy of this country? LOL
Sometimes this is just way too easy.
Apparently our No Name provocateur needs to have his eyes checked. According to some totally biased, left leaning, bordering on communist institutions….the Arizona Department of Public safety, and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency the whole argument about the need for the new Arizona law, violence like the wild west, an unending flood of illegal’s streaming across the border, is all a bunch of bull for lack of a better term. Bull, as in conflated, untrue, total hogwash, rubbish, and otherwise NOT BASED IN FACT!
According to the Arizona Department of Public Safety, in their report of crimes in 2008, the last year they have statistical data compiled for, Murders decreased by 15.3%, Rape by 9.3%, Aggravated Assault by 6.7%, Burglary by 2% theft by 5% and Motor Vehicle Theft by almost 24%
According to Customs and Border patrol in 2000 more than 600,000 persons were caught attempting to cross the border illegally. In 2009 that number was down to 241,000, thanks in large part to a threefold increase of Border patrol agents and intelligence based operations. Customs and Border protection also indicated that the reason drug and human smugglers have gotten so much more aggressive is because of the effectiveness of our activities on the border. That effectiveness has also need cites are reason for the violence on the Mexican side of the border not spilling over to this side.
Basically what this boils down to is crime in Arizona has declined since the middle of the decade, not gone up, and the incidence of illegal border crossings had been decreased by more than 50%. All of the rational being given for the need for this law is, PURE BULL. The numbers and facts just don’t support it sensationalist claims.
Anyone currently laughing at those screaming in support of the new Arizona law, trust me, you ain’t alone.
Laura,
“How is stopping a family who came over to work as migrant or low-wage workers and send a few bucks back home to family in Mexico (most illegals) going to stop an internationally funded drug cartel and their criminal activities?”
Again you don’t live there so while you sit in your middle class suburban neighborhood illegals pay the coyote by carrying drugs ON THEIR BACKS across the border. I HAVE SEEN IT WITH MY OWN TWO EYES by living there 20 years and actually being in the Yuma sector. Hell I’ve even had illegals walk through our camp during desert parties.
While you are safe in your little neck of the world people are dying due to this issue. Look at the CITIZENS killed on the border by illegals crossing. Many a story like this DOES NOT ENVOLVE DRUG CARTELS. That’s just an ignorant excuse to allow for the breaking of our laws. When you spend 20+ years living in the situation there maybe you will have something to talk about. Until then your argument is nothing more than talking points that have been disproven by more than myself.
Laura,
Again, read the law SB1070 There are three (3) items that must be met before they can be “asked for papers.” Maybe if you read the law and not the standard liberal talking points for it you would see that. However I doubt you will change you silly mantra of “social justice” as opposed to letter of the law. Also I will remind you that it is A FEDERAL LAW that all LEGAL immigrants carry documentation since the 1940′s. So WHY ARE YOU AGAINS ENFORCING EXISTING FEDERAL LAW? There can not be an exception to following the law. You either do or you don’t. You can’t have both because then that’s not “social justice.” It’s called pandering to a vote.
You are confusing enforcement of the law with racial profiling. I suppose a case could be made that if you had a law on the books that required police to stop every black African-American male in an inner city neighborhood to “check their papers” who they think may be a drug dealer, you could put a dent in drug-related crime. But is it effective and is it right? What would the cost be? And unless you establish road blocks, how are you going to be sure you catch them all?
Roadblocks established so police can “check the papers” of everyone who looks like they could be illegal in a state with a large number of Latino citizens…yeah, that’s constitutional…That would fly for about five seconds.
Stopping people because they look like they might be illegal is not the way to go. I’m sure there are many other methods that would actually be effective, but this is a quick cheap fix that stinks of political pandering before an election year. Jan and the Arizona GOP can look like they have “gotten tough, stood up and done something about the problem”…just in time for elections. How convenient!
Doing the wrong “something” to address the problem is not better than doing nothing. You only compound the problem. This is not a concrete solution–it will not stop illegals or crimes committed by drug cartels. These people are already willing to take the risk of getting caught, going to jail and being deported. You will have achieved nothing. All it will do is continue the erosion of American rights begun by legislation such as the Patriot Act.
As I said before, the crimes you point to as justification to commit this travesty are commited by DRUG CARTELS and their operatives. They DON’T CARE! that what they are doing is illegal, or that they are hurting and killing people, or that they may get caught or even more likely DIE in drug-related violence. The money is too good and a lot of them THRIVE on that risk. Apply a solution to the real problem–the illegal drug trade– don’t penalize those Americans of Latin origin just so some pols can look like they’re trying to “be tough.” And you talk about Dems and “lip service”…
How is stopping a family who came over to work as migrant or low-wage workers and send a few bucks back home to family in Mexico (most illegals) going to stop an internationally funded drug cartel and their criminal activities? When you figure that out , fill me in on how to carry the Pacific Ocean in a teacup…
Laura,
Oh by the way your pal Jfester pointed out a truck driver who was stopped and harassed for “papers.” Unfortunately it the Arizona law hasn’t gone into effect yet and it was ICE that stopped the LEGAL trucker. So really your statement:
“Just wait until a family member of a legal alien or citizen gets harrassed and see how quickly those who support the law change their tune.”
Has already happened and it was your precious federal government that was the culprit. Not the Arizona law. So cry me a river already.
Laura,
As usual you are missing the BIG picture in the article here for the little one. Here you have a person calling outright for the downfall of government and repatriation of U.S. citizens and it goes unreported in the immigration issue. Yet people calling for only LIMITED government (tea party grannies) are called terrorists?
Give me a break. Seriously?
The fact that you are making excuses for breaking a federal law that has been on the books from the 40′s is very telling. Social justice for some but not all? Are you seriously condoning that we make a law and then not enforce it? At that point what use is “the law” if it’s not to be enforced? I tell you it’s use, nothing more than a feel good PR stunt.
For the rest of us…
This law has been on the Federal books for a long time. It’s enforcement is what has been lacking. Sanctuary cities are THUMBING their nose at this federal law. Now I understand the concept of states rights. And they are allowed to do it. But the attitude it engenders is one of “it’s ok to break SOME laws!” Is that really what we want?
Want some fun kids? Google Arizona AND smuggling tunnels. N-joy!
Are all Latinos members or supporters of La Raza? I must have missed that memo. Unless they are, then La Raza is a splinter group. How many Latinos there are in Arizona or any other state in the U.S. has nothing to do with it. You can make as many broad-based assertions as you want. Until you can show that all illegals from Mexico are drug dealers, that they are all thugs and murderers and that they are all members or supporters of La Raza, everything you have argued is nothing but inuendo and stereotyping. What you are promoting is the very mindset that justifies racial profiling, which negatively affects the rights of anyone, including citizens and legal aliens, who happen to be Latinos who look like they could possibly be Mexican. Just wait until a family member of a legal alien or citizen gets harrassed and see how quickly those who support the law change their tune. Let them get earmarked as the La Raza terrorist that, according to you, all Latinos are and then their rights are forfeit under the Patriot Act. But that’s okay, it’s all for the public welfare, since all illegals (and all Latinos could possibly be one so they need to carry their papers in case they are stopped for possibly being one) are nothing but murdering, thieving drug dealing kidnappers. Wait, didn’t you talk about public welfare not being an excuse for the infringment of Constitutional rights? Oops….
If being an illegal alien is already illegal, then why is another law necessary that makes it illegal again, unless it is a way to justify and legitimize racial profiling? To make it REALLY REALLY illegal? No, it’s to get racial profiling in by the back door. The fact that a large number of people in Arizona support it doesn’t justify it either. If you had asked white Southerners if they supported Jim Crow laws through the 1960′s, non-Asian Americans if they supported Japanese internment camps, American settlers if they supported forced resettlement of Native Americans into reservations comprised by land that had no worth to anyone, what would they have said? Oh, right…we know what they would have said because they did have a say. Did that make it right? I guess if you find enough bigots, ignorant and lazy people to support just about any law, then it is okay….And you say that “public welfare” should not trump natural rights?…Just a bit hypocritical, isn’t it?
Small town America to the rescue…again.
“People come here because it’s better than the place they were in,” he said. “If that’s the case, you should be adapting yourself to our ways. We shouldn’t be adapting ourselves to your ways.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/nyregion/13towns.html?hp
He perdido un montón de mis hermanos mexicanos a la violencia en el sur de Phoenix. Esto no sólo afecta a los blancos que afecta a los latinos también. No espero que entiendas. Usted don”t vivirla Daly. Lo hacen.
Jeremey,
You from Arizona? Ever been there? You are simply making excuses for people who are breaking a FEDERAL law that has been on the books since the 1940′s. Making excuses for killing U.S citizen ranchers on the border. Making excuses for Phoenix being the kidnapping capital of the U.S.
Splinter group my left cheek. (And I’m not talking about my face) You don’t take into account that latinos are the largest population in the southwest. You ever seen a La Raza protest? I have. As I have stated previously I lived in that state for over 20 years. You can ask most of the legal immigrants there. Or better yet my ex who was a 3rd generation mexican. Those who are here legally for a large part are in favor of this law. If you are going to cry me a river about civil liberties next I will refer you to jfesta’s whine about the same.
Last question you even read sb1070?
Okay, so the Latinos have a racist splinter group that espouses hate on the Internet. To say that any splinter group is representative of the Latino whole is to say that the KKK or the Aryan Nation or any other white supremacist or paramilitary hate group represents all whites. Or that the Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam under Farrakan represents all blacks (who knows, you might even believe that). To use the existence of splinter hate groups to justify prejudicial thought and behavior on the part of every member of that race or ethnic group is pathetic. It is clinging to any type of a created stereotype to justify behavior that everyone knows is wrong without it. Same as the movement by those who support this Arizona law to make all illegals murdering drug dealers and thugs. We all know that is a load of crap, so now all illegals are revolutionaries bent on taking back the southwest for Mexico? Why would they want to make California and the Southwest part of the country they just left? Do you know how stupid that sounds?
The truth is much less simple and sinister than you would have it be. They are leaving Mexico for the same reasons as the eastern Eurpoeans, Irish, Chinese, Italians, Jews and every other group who emigrated here at the turn of the 20th century came–they buy this idea of “you can come here and be anything you want and get rich.” And the people of this nation, this land of “democracy, freedom and liberty,” were just as cruel and prejudicial to them as we are the Mexicans. Read your history and see how we treated the Chinese would tried to come to this country or gain citizenship after we exploited them for their labor to build our railroads. See how we treated the Japanese on the West Coast, most of whom had been here for generations and had never even been to Japan, during the Second World War. Your hero Michelle Malkin has a lot to say about how justified throwing them into internment camps was.
I wonder if Canada was full of brown-skinned, so called “wetbacks,” if we would be enacting the same kind of laws on our northern border?
Oh, I have no difficulty understanding them and their propaganda. Where I live the native people first lost their land to Mexico. Then the United States took over. By the “Reconquistas’ ” reasoning, the land rightfully belongs to the natives and we all should be thrown out.
Had there been no war with Mexico and the loss of the real estate, Mexico would only have been a larger, oligarchy with more poor people living in squalor. What would the excuse have been when they illegally croosed a more northerly border?
The proponents are ignorant people who manipulate even more ignorant people. Education is one of the keys to combating their propaganda. American Latinos are not nearly as sympathetic to this nonsense as the press portrays them. More of them are recognizing the ‘game’ all the time.
Latinos die just as dead when they are murdered by drug runners and victimized by violent crime. Arizona has a huge American population with Latino roots. (Something else Easterners don’t understand)
&0% strongly support enforcement of the law in Arizona. Without Latino voter support, the bill wouldn’t have made it. When they make too much of a show of support they make themselves vulnerable and specially targeted for violent intimidation, strident harassment.
It was the same for ‘whites’ in the south who vocally supported the Civil Rights Movement. I know because I was there. It takes extraordinary courage to step out amid thugs who claim you as ‘one of them’ and who threaten you and yours if you don’t STAY IN LINE..
Silverwun,
This is what most people in this country don’t understand unless you have lived in the southwest. Citizens and Illegals alike are members of La Raza and espouse their belief that the southwest was stolen from Mexico. These groups would use the image of a poor illegal immigrant and bemoan his suffering racial profiling in AZ when they advocate it themselves in this country!
This is why when people from Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, and all points east start talking about “the poor immigrant who just wants his shot at success” it makes my stomach turn. They have no idea what the illegal immigration supporters are REALLY about. Reconquering the southwest states. That is why they call themselves reconquistas.
A movement to ‘repatriate’ people with European ancestry? La Raza?
The incredibly profound ignorance of these people about history is only surpassed by their ignorance about race.
There is no such thing as ‘la raza.’ If they want to call themselves anything with any shred of accuracy Las Razas would be the term. Spain and Portugal are European nations. Shippiing back people in this hemishpere who are descendants of European races would require rounding up the majority of people living between Cape Horn and Nome!
Racial intermixing and continental assimilation has been going on for over five hundred years in this hemisphere. Just which genius in this absurd movement will be able to extract their cabeza from their culo in order to judge who is European and who is indigenous? If somebody is found they will have to be very careful not to tear the paper!
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